On this episode, marine conservation scientist Dr. Lekelia (Kiki) Jenkins chats to Dr. Chris Parsons about reducing turtle by-catch in fishing gear and the challenges facing technological innovators that don’t come from a position of privilege. They also talk about Dr. Jenkins’ career, including how she “danced her PhD” and how she was as a role model (and statue model) for the “If she can see it, then she can be it” exhibit - which highlights female role models in STEM. This podcast does not necessarily reflect the views of AAAS, its Council, Board of Directors, officers, or members. AAAS is not responsible for the accuracy of this material. AAAS has made this material available as a public service, but this does not constitute endorsement by the association.